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Although my first book The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin With a Mythical Christ? attracted its share of negative reaction, with the publication of Challenging the Verdict I seem to have struck a nerve. Reviews on Amazon.com are currently running neck and neck between those who give it nothing but praise and 5-star ratings (occasionally 4), and those who have nothing but evil to speak of it and give it the minimum 1-star rating. Positive reviews often attack the negative evaluations, and vice-versa. You either love it or hate it.
Why is Challenging the Verdict provoking this kind of polarization and confrontation? For almost two decades, orthodox Christianity has perceived itself as under an unprecedented attack, much of it focused on the progressive work of the Jesus Seminar. The Seminar’s deliberations and radical conclusions have not only provoked a hostile reaction on the part of conservative scholars like Luke Timothy Johnson and N. T. Wright, they have reached the public eye and mind like no previous rethinking of Gospel traditions. The lay community, both Christian and non-believer, have developed an interest in the issues of this scholarly ‘civil war’ and with the advent of the Internet they have become intimate observers and participants in the ongoing debate on the reliability of traditional beliefs about Jesus.
In the face of a growing focus on the rational and scientific evaluation of the record, it was only a matter of time before someone in the conservative field attempted a ‘rational’ defense of Christian doctrine and orthodox interpretation of the New Testament aimed at the general believing public, to assuage its fears about a structural collapse of the edifice of the faith. Lee Strobel, in 1998, stepped into that breach and produced The Case for Christ. This was probably the best the conservative side could do in presenting a credible, reasoned case for continuing to believe in the complete reliability of the Gospel accounts and their picture of Jesus. Strobel’s book on Amazon has amassed hundreds of reviews praising his book and the testimony of his witnesses, the latter a mix of scholarly arguments and faith declarations on the part of all. The day, for so many, seemed to be saved, if only to judge by the current widespread championing of the book by clergy, conservative apologists and everyday people who have urged it upon friends, family, and the general non-believer as the last word in justification for the Christian faith in a modern rational world.
For someone to present a challenge to that book, and to have it declared as “devastating” Strobel’s case (as was happening on the Internet even before Challenging the Verdict was published as a book), was a threat not even The Jesus Puzzle had constituted. Arguing that Jesus never existed could be dismissed as a crackpot idea, not to be taken notice of. But a book that sets out mainly to demonstrate the deficiencies, fallacies, and the selective and misleading use of evidence found in The Case for Christ, undermining Strobel’s much-vaunted rescue operation, cannot be ignored, it seems. Negative reviews on Amazon of Challenging the Verdict have reached a new high (or low) in blind animosity and vituperation. Personal attacks on the author have been felt necessary in order to discredit the critique. What is notably missing, however, are specific criticisms that discredit the content and arguments of this cross-examination.
First the positive reviews, although the reader may proceed directly to the negative reviews by this link:
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[*****] Loved it, not just liked it!, October 8,
2002
Reviewer: Gern Blanston from Grand Rapids, MI
Unlike the author of the review by
"A reader", I found Doherty's exemplary and devastating rebuttal of Strobel's
often disingenuous and intellectually dishonest "case" to be engrossing
and easy to read. In fact, it is one of the most accessible books of its
kind largely _because_ of the author's use of the courtroom analogy as
a guiding structural metaphor. "Forcing yourself" to read the book is the
very LAST thing you need concern yourself with, as you will most likely
find the book so captivating it's nearly impossible to put down! Doherty's
fluid ease and comfortable facility with the facts and issues, combined
with his very courteous yet rigorously truth-seeking "courtroom" demeanor,
make this a positive delight to read; so much so that the "trial" is over
and won so handily it's rather anti-climactic and seems to come too soon.
Buy this book and enjoy one of the most accessible and rewarding examples
of honest, thoughtful and eye-opening New Testament scholarship you will
ever encounter!
[*****] Earl Doherty Completely Annihilates Lee Strobel,
October 15, 2002
Reviewer: Dionysus
Earl Doherty completely annihilates
Lee Strobel's case for Christ in this thoroughly researched cross examination
of the latter's ill written book that has been waved around by bible thumping
Christians as the authoritative argument for so-called "proof" of Christ.
Doherty leaves nothing unscoured, unshakingly knocking down Lee Strobel's
straw man arguments, poorly researched subject matter and other logical
fallacies with the hammer of logic and reason. Ranging from Thallus to
Josephus, Doherty shows how all the very FEW documents hailed as "evidence"
of Christ are inefficient and cannot possibly be considered unquestionable
proof as well as why the canonical gospels cannot be regarded as accurate
depictions of history. Being there is no contemporary secular history to
parallel the gospels, it has no more basis in reality than the hieroglyphics
of the ancient Egyptians depicting Osiris and Set, as well as being written
much later than supposed. Further, he points out how Christians borrowed
much of their mythology from earlier pagan mystery cults whose theology
revolved
around a dying and resurrecting (oops, that’s a word that is copyrighted
by Christianity, so I'll rephrase it with "reappearing") godmen who spent
a lifetime full of traveling around the countryside performing miracles
such as raising the dead and healing the blind. Take Tammuz, Attis, Dionysus,
Asculepius and Apollonius of Tyana for examples. This critique of "The
Case for Christ" is a damaging blow to Lee Strobel and Christianity in
general. A mandatory read for Christians and non-Christians alike for any
clear comprehension of the origins of Christianity as well as a brilliant
light cutting through the darkness of modern day superstition and unfounded
assertions propounded by those who would do anything in their power to
keep the masses from closing their wallets and purses to their greedy grasp.
[*****] Honest scholarship, thoroughness, and
plain common sense, July 29, 2002
Reviewer: Roger Marcum from Galloway, OH United
States
Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ"
was recommended to me by a family member and co-workers. As a Humanist,
I was going to end up in everlasting torture if I didn't accept "Jesus
as my savior" or some such thing, and if I was going to be convinced then
Strobel's airtight case for Jesus would do it. I found the book, and I
remember thinking about the obvious rebuttals to most of the so-called
"evidence" as I read through it. But I was not expecting such a thorough
examination and outright thrashing that Strobel's book endured in Doherty's
"Challenging the Verdict"! What a wonderful combination of honest and fair
scholarship, thoroughness, and just plain common sense! My next purchase
will be "The Jesus Puzzle" so as to continue breathing this breath of fresh
air....
[*****] It's obvious, May 23, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Tucker, Georgia United
States
If it weren't clear from an open-minded
reading of both "The Case for Christ" and "Challenging the Verdict" which
of the two is more fair, accurate, logical, and honest, one could just
about guess it from the reviews posted on this site. Those in favor of
Doherty's book are precise and articulate; the negative reviews avoid specifics
in their criticisms, choosing to attack Doherty's style or claiming they
"never heard of him," as if that were a devastating incrimination. (Not
to mention that some of them are simply grammatically clumsy and full of
misspellings - and coming from people in the US, not foreigners using English
as a second language.) I would suspect that most of those blasting Doherty's
book are not objective reviewers but fundamentalist Christians who just
don't like what he has to say.
The big difference between the techniques
of the freethinkers like Doherty and the fundamentalists like Strobel is,
of course, that the former look at all the evidence and come to logical
conclusions, while the latter know up front what they want to conclude,
and pick and choose and "interpret" to reach that end.
Yes, it's true that the point of Doherty's
previous book, "The Jesus Puzzle," is that there was no actual historical
Jesus, but no, he doesn't make an issue of it in this book. He simply responds
to the claims of Strobel's book in a courteous and logical manner, and
dismantles each one. If anyone thinks he's being "unfair" by not allowing
responses from Strobel's interviewees, despite the fact that he's consistently
using their directly quoted statements from "The Case For Christ," consider
the (negative) review here from a 17-year-old girl who expressed a desire
that Strobel in his next book interview scholars from both sides of the
issue. Sorry, young lady, it's a good idea, but it won't happen. Lee Strobel
and his crowd don't work that way. That's the point. (BL, Tucker, GA)
[*****] Sound, Intelligent, Solid Truth,
May 17, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Claremont, CA United States
Doherty is amazing. A pioneer. A gift.
A treasure. The fact of the matter is, millions and millions of people
believe in a Savior who probably never even existed.
The New Testament Jesus: 1) the earliest
writings such as those of Paul and other epistles don't speak of any of
his miracles or sayings or any earthly, human reality. 2) The gospel miracles
and sayings are drawn from Old Testament and pagan sources. I could go
on and on - but Doherty is the expert and he has laid it all out in THE
JESUS PUZZLE and now this gem.
The bottom line is: EXTRAORDINARY
CLAIMS DEMAND EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. Sorry, but Christianity's extraordinary
claims about their man-God don't come with convicincing evidence.
[*****] Must Read, May 4, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from deland, florida United
States
I love the way the author totally
demolishes strobel's "verdict". Ignore the desperate posts of those who
live in denial of truth and buy this book.
My encounter with Earl Doherty's first
book, The Jesus Puzzle, bent the rudder on my high-flying belief system
causing me to flip over and crash. Naturally my Christian brothers and
sisters were scandalized at the demise of a fellow true believer and let
me know just how they felt about such wicked apostasy. However, I'm still
intact and grateful that old friends at least decided to merely cut me
off rather than resort to medieval torture-unto-death. But, damn it, truth
will out! I do feel a depressive burden has been lifted and would invite
any thinking Christian made uneasy by suspicious orthodox dogmas to re-examine
the validity of pre-suppositions supporting such. However, be warned and
on guard concerning this Catch 22: You cannot by logical reasoning correct
a person of an ill opinion never acquired through reasoning. (Apologies
to Sir Francis Bacon)
[****] Not the Final Verdict, January 6,
2002
Reviewer: A reader from St.Paul, MN
I was nearly ready to accept “Case
for Christ” as a 4-star last word in defense of Christ and Bibical events,
but then I also read Challenging the Verdict: A Cross-Examination of the
Case, by Earl Doherty, which exposes the Strobel bias point for point,
and in a court room setting. How easily I could have missed this if I had
not read further. I think Strobel means well but he sets up interviews
to present the evidence he wants to hear so misses the bigger picture,
and I almost did too. Don’t stop reading. Follow Strobel’s book with the
easily read Challenging the Verdict, by Earl Doherty.
[*****] Interjects reason into a traditionally irrational
debate., December 16, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Kansas City, MO USA
I'm still unsure about the historicity
of Jesus (it seems we may never 'know', simply because there is insufficient
data to draw from), but I can say that books like this one will go a long
way toward furthering our ability to make an informed, rational 'best guess'.
Frankly, Mr. Doherty has done a real service with this book, and he has
contributed greatly to the overall quality of the debate. I generally found
his reasoning and arguments to be fair, thorough and sound.
[*****] Questioning the Foundation Myth, April
29, 2002
Reviewer: Thomas E. Fox, from Yuma, Arizona United
States
Earl Doherty continues the scholarly
liberation of us from Western society's founding myth, an historical Jesus
Christ. Doherty's jaw-dropping premise, that Jesus never existed, won't
be accepted overnight. Most of Christian study begins within faith and
can hardly be expected to maintain a cold, dispassionate view of an Earthly
Christ. Doherty's counterpoint dissertation springs from passion-for truth.
Long into the future, American presidential candidates will probably have
to mouth fealty to the Christian mythological founder. But "Challenging
the Verdict" helps form a nucleus of work with profound implications for
Christianity.
[Lest someone get the wrong impression, the idea that
Jesus never existed is not original to me, of course, but has been around
for over two centuries, most of it within academic circles. Perhaps in
this Internet age, I have simply been able to reach a wider and more general
audience.]
[*****] Finally, a breath of reason, April 14,
2002
Reviewer: A reader
A friend of mine made me read "The
Case for Christ" last year in an effort to convert me. Needless to say,
it didn't work. The margins of my copy were full of questions and problems
I saw in the evidence. In this book, Earl Doherty takes up most of the
questions I had and the problems I saw. This book has been bashed by many
other reviewers, and those that did so are probably Christians. I myself
am a former Jew turned agnostic (who also holds a Ph.D in biology) and
I enjoyed the book and agreed with it. If you have an open mind, and want
to critically examine Christianity, then pick up this book. If not, don't
bother, you don't get it.
[*****] Ahhh, the fresh breeze of rationality,
April 4, 2002
Reviewer: shadyoak from Ranchita , CA USA
It boils down to this: Are you interested
in religion? the Christ myth? just curious? open-minded? rational? Do you
question dogmas? Christian dogmas? the supernatural? If yes, then this
book is for you....
....The book is not only informative,
making you exercise those little grey cells, but it's lots of fun too.
And by the way, this book stands on its own. Thanks to Mr. Doherty's recapitulations
and presentation style, you don't have to waste your time with the Strobel
tract to follow the argument. Mr. Doherty is such a good writer, and his
scholarship runs such rings around that of his detractors, that they must
be secretly green with envy. But you can see that for youself: you don't
have to take someone else's word....And thank you, Mr. Doherty, for your
persistence and clarity!
[*****] Christians should read this book, February
25, 2002
Reviewer: David P. Graf from Chicago, IL
As someone who has defended Christianity,
it might be expected that I would praise Strobel's book and damn Doherty's.
However, Doherty does a wonderful job of skewering Strobel's "The Case
for Christ." Christians who read Strobel's book and then think they're
ready to take on skeptics like Doherty are in for a rude disappointment.
However, that's not to say that Doherty's book doesn't have a few problems
of its own. For instance, I think it would be interesting to see how well
other personages of ancient history like Socrates would fare if Doherty
applied the same standards to them as he uses to question the historicity
of Jesus. However, it is not my intention to use this review for a rebuttal.
Instead, I would recommend this book to all thinking Christians who want
to really understand why sincere and thoughtful skeptics disagree with
us regarding Jesus.
[Now that's an open-minded Christian, and one
who isn't afraid to investigate the opposing side and acknowledge that
it has something to say. I think he overstates the danger of Socrates'
non-existence, but if someone were to put forward a well-reasoned case
for concluding it, there would be no reason not to give the idea a fearless
consideration.]
[****] I've read Strobel and Doherty - Doherty is better,
March 1, 2002
Reviewer: Paul Doland from Houston, TX
Okay, much has been said about Doherty's
style of using a courtroom setting. Yes, I understand it is a literary
device. And yes, I know, he's poking some fun at Strobel's self-portrait
of being a "tough, investigative reporter." Okay, I understand it, but
I still don't care for it. [ED: That's Paul's prerogative, although
I think he would have found it a dry read if I had simply stated, one after
the other through 14 chapters, Strobel's points and offered my own rebuttal
arguments to them, with no setting.] But while I don't care for the
style, what is more important, to me anyway, is the material. And the material
is good.
When Doherty is able to demonstrate
logic errors and circular reasoning in Strobel's work that I didn't catch
myself when reading it, that to me lends credence to his work. One good
example of this is where Doherty points out that Dr. Craig used the Gospel
of Matthew's account of the guards at the tomb as an alternate-source verification
of, well, Matthew's account of the guards at the tomb!
Another interesting point that Doherty
makes is in the discussion of the medical evidence. Dr. Metherell portrays
crucifixion being a form of torture to which even breathing is difficult
due to the way the victim is hung. And yet the gospels portray Jesus as
carrying on conversations, including with the bandits that were also being
crucified. And Doherty also points out how the scene gets embellished from
one gospel to the next.
There's a lot more than these couple
of items I've pointed out. Get the book. If you read the other reviews
of the book, you'll find that the negative reviews usually call Doherty
"outlandish" or some such, but few seem to have any actual evidence to
dispute him.
[*****] Doherty's Courtroom Setting Completely Fair,
March 7, 2002
Reviewer: A Reader
I’m dumbfounded by critics’ complaints
of Doherty’s presentation, calling it “unfair”. Have you ever seen anybody
present the opposing viewpoint? Of course Doherty presents his viewpoints,
what else do you expect? Strobel presents the Christian viewpoint, Doherty
presents the counter viewpoint. Doherty is no more or less unfair than
Strobel.
In fact, Doherty is actually MORE
fair than Strobel. You see, Strobel pretends to play the part of the skeptic
and introduces some counter-arguments. But the counter-arguments that Strobel
raises are mere straw-men that he knows his experts will knock down. So
Strobel’s pretense of playing the critic is just pure deception. Doherty,
on the other hand, accurately presents the Christian perspective as he
quotes sufficiently from Strobel’s book to accurately represent the Christian
perspective. If anybody deserves the criticism of being “unfair” it is
Strobel!
Finally, people claim that had Doherty
given Strobel’s experts the chance to respond, they would have shredded
Doherty. But Doherty HAS given Strobel’s experts a chance to respond on
his website, and they have not done so. Nobody has any real response to
Doherty, they just slander him or ignore him.
[*****] A Compendium of Scholarship and Common Sense,
January 28, 2002
Reviewer: A. Berkshire from Minneapolis, MN USA
Lee Strobel in "The Case for Christ"
organized his arguments in orderly fashion, dividing his
interviews with Christian scholars into neat categories
relating to the Gospels and evangelists, the
manuscripts, Jesus' nature and personality, Old Testament
prophecy, the resurrection, etc. But
because Doherty more or less follows Strobel step by
step, discrediting just about everything
Strobel and his witnesses have put forward, this book
is a very efficient compendium of
counter-arguments to many facets of Christian doctrine.
I also liked the Index, which is quite
detailed, and identifies important sub-categories for each of the
pages listed under a main heading. It's easy to find
your way around this book, and it's also a
delightful read, often amusing, due in no small part
to Doherty's easy and clear writing style and his
colorful courtroom approach in which he dialogues with
quotations from Strobel's book. I could
almost smell the wood of the judge's bench.
There's something on every page, and
it struck me just how effortless it all seems. Rarely does
Doherty have to reach for a counter-argument, and everything
makes a lot of sense. Of course,
Strobel and his witnesses, being extremely conservative,
often leave themselves wide open, but I've
never seen the entire range of unreliable beliefs which
Christianity has been saddled with so neatly
and effectively debunked.
Craig Blomberg, for example, declares
confidently that we can trust in the identities and eyewitness
character of all four Gospel authors, but he himself
admits that the first mention of all four can be
found no earlier than the year 180, and Doherty shows
that there is little sign of any wider
knowledge of those Gospels' existence before the 150s.
Doherty comes up with some fresh
arguments I'd never heard before to discredit the idea
that Acts could have been written no later
than 62, as Blomberg claims, such as that "Luke" (or
whoever was the author) would have had to
go to Paul himself for a lot of information, since traditions
about Paul and his movements could
hardly have been circulating so early; but in that case
why did he get so much 'wrong' when you
compare Acts' details to Paul's own letters? And if Luke,
Paul's reputed companion, was the author
of the Gospel of that name, why doesn't he identify himself
as such in the Gospel's Preface, or give
any hint that he had known Paul? The book is full of
things like this which seem so sensible once
they're raised.
Bruce Metzger, a very respected scholar
(perhaps Strobel's one stellar light) claims that we have
parts of New Testament manuscripts from "a couple of
generations from the writing of the originals"
but Doherty points out that only a small scrap of John
can be dated around the middle of the second
century, while everything else comes, in pieces, only
after the year 200 and later, and in any kind of
complete form only after 300. Metzger should have known
better than to set up sitting ducks like
this.
But he's not the only one. William
Lane Craig, that much-touted debater on the resurrection, is
caught out by Doherty in an outrageous circular argument
in defending the historicity of Matthew's
guard at the tomb scene. And Gary Habermas doesn't fare
much better in trying to skate around all
the contradictions in the various Gospel accounts of
the resurrection appearances. Doherty's writing
skills can conjure up the tone of the prosecuting attorney
very well, and one can almost imagine the
sweat on the brow in cross-examinations like these.
Which is not to say that it's all
a case of sitting ducks. Some of the exchanges Doherty sets up are
quite sophisticated and even subtle, such as his cross-examination
of Gregory Boyd about
naturalism vs. supernaturalism, and the question of who
might have borrowed from whom where
Christianity and the Greek mysteries are concerned. And
his "God the Son" chapter with Donald
Carson shows that Doherty knows his stuff when it comes
to Greek philosophy and how early
Christian faith in a divine, spiritual Son is dependent
on ideas most people today have never heard
His chapter on Old Testament prophecy
completely undercuts the fundamental Christian claim that
the Jewish Bible was a divinely-directed prophetic book
about Jesus. Then there's Luke's universal
census under Augustus. Untenable. Matthew's slaughter
of the innocents by Herod? The same. The
reliability of a genuine original in Josephus' Testimonium?
Not a chance. Judas, Mary Magdalene,
Joseph of Arimathea: all literary inventions of Mark,
more than likely. Demons and demon
possession, such as the Gospels portray in Jesus' healing
exorcisms? Primitive and irrational.
Hell has to go, too, under Doherty's
insightful observations about that deranged little dogma. This
sort of thing is the icing on the layer cake where Doherty
occasionally discusses issues of rationality
and modern enlightenment, and the need for more of it
in our society today. From what I gather
from his Jesus Puzzle website, he himself has published
this book under the name "Age of Reason
Publications." A very apt name.
One comes away from Challenging the
Verdict wondering how long it's going to take before we
come to our senses.
[Note: Where the following reviewer has gotten the idea that I am "very young" I don't know. I only wish it were true, but I am in fact getting on, and the copyright page of both my books reveals the full extent of it.]
[*****] Earl Doherty, the atheist champion, February
2, 2002
Reviewer: A reader
In some ways, I almost feel bad for
Earl Doherty. At this point in his career, very young and very
fragile, he's almost the sole champion of the Christ-myth.
A few others have popped up from time to
time, but only Doherty has shown clear, concise, and
objective rational to his decisions and
information. Other Christ-myth books have thus far projected
a lot of animosity towards
Christianity, and use sources that are so unreliable
and questionable that it's clear the bias to destroy
the historical Jesus is stronger than scholarship or
an objective viewpoint.
Earl Doherty is much different than
that. Earl shows a logical, sequential, and unbiased progression
through the mud and obfuscations that Strobel's researchers
have put up. In many cases, it is just
mud that they throw up to get us to accept their reasonings.
The book by Strobel shows a clear
amount of ghost-writing done in it, in such a fashion
that the book is written so that:
1.) It starts by examining the easiest objections, by
saying that the New Testament documents are
reliable, and have been accurately transmitted down to
us.
2.) Then it seeks to reinforce the believers that the
New Testament is correct, by showing historical
and archaeological evidence for the New Testament.
3.) Then it seeks to destroy counter-arguments by using
the Bible, which the previous two points
should have proved "irrefutable", and the Bible is the
complete Word of God.
4.) Finally, it says that you can trust the Bible completely,
so don't worry about any objections that
those silly liberal Christians and secular researchers
may put up.
The manner in which the book is constructed
is clearly intended to first convince, then reinforce that
conviction, and finally by taking on any dissenting views,
squelch any doubt.
However, Doherty destroys their foundation
down so that the four step process of conviction
doesn't happen anymore. As Doherty gains fame through
the printing of books like this, the
Christ-myth will become more and more popular,...
The bottom-line is that Doherty is
a fantastic scholar who will hopefully be writing books for a long
time to come. His thorough and exhaustive work is a joy
for any secular reader, or even a Christian
who wants a real look into the Christ-paradigm.
[*****] 21st Century Thomas Paine, January 8, 2002
Reviewer: Barnabus T. Jones from Rochester, MN
Whenever I see a book pertaining to
Christian apologetics in which the reviews are either one-star or five-star,
my interest level soars. Why? Because, the author has hit somebody's hot
button. The five-star reviewers consider the book a gem and the one-star
reviewers are furiously trying to find some basis on which to appear objective
in refuting it. The prospective book buyer can simply read the reviews,
decide which viewpoint is intellectually appealing,and act accordingly.
In my view, Doherty's book is a simple
straight forward refutation of fundamentalist Christianity's shining lights
of alleged scholarship. Doherty has no need to use ad hominem slurs to
which the one-star reviewers resort. The author's logic and honesty exposes
the intellectual dishonesty of Christian apologists in their search to
find some rational basis for belief in their savior-god, Jesus of Nazareth.
If someone is looking for a quality
intellect to recommend Doherty's book, consider the words of deist Thomas
Paine, whose pamphlet "Common Sense" helped inspire the American Revolution:
"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study
of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds
by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits
of no conclusion. Not any thing can be studied as a science, without our
being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as
this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study
of nothing." -- Thomas Paine
For an objective overview of Christanity's
bankrupt foundations, Doherty's books are a "MUST READ"!
[*****] A Demolition of Christian Apologetics,
December 13, 2001
Reviewer: Bill Paulson from Minneapolis, MN
Another resounding triumph of
reason over faith is presented in Earl Doherty's excellent book, 'Challenging
the Verdict'. It is a chapter-by-chapter, point-by-point rebuttal of Lee
Strobel's popular book, 'The Case for Christ'. Strobel traveled around
the country to interview some highly regarded Christian apologists and
put together what I presume is just about the best case that can be made
for the credibility of the Christian faith.
Doherty's 14 chapters correspond
exactly with those in Strobel's book. Complaints of other reviewers notwithstanding,
the format ('cross-examining' Strobel's 'witnesses' in a courtroom setting)
is perfectly reasonable—and makes for fun reading! Doherty responds to
arguments with which he disagrees, cites opinions of those who support
him, and as the author, gets in the final word. In other words, he does
exactly what Lee Strobel and thousands of others have done. Please note
that 'Challenging the Verdict' is designed for open-minded people. If you
are faithful, rather than honest, you won't like it.
Doherty begins in chapter 1
by refuting the incomprehensible claim (by Strobel and Craig Blomberg)
that the authors' names attached to the New Testament gospels are reliable.
Forging names to give a document authority was common practice in those
days, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all extremely authoritative
to the early Christians. No reputable scholar today attaches credibility
to these names. This chapter sets the tone for Strobel's book. If evidence
were a life form, he'd be in prison for abusing it.
Strobel, Blomberg and others
make a game effort to show that the NT gospels constitute valid history,
a proposition which is insulting to the intelligence. We don't call documents
history when they are religious in nature; report events highly improbable
in nature; are brought to us by an organization (the Roman Church) which
stood to profit immensely by their acceptance as history; and which have
hopeless contradictions among themselves.
We also see the classic Christian
argument that hostile witnesses were around who would have exposed the
Christians for telling falsehoods. Doherty notes that the upheaval of the
Jewish War limited this possibility, then adds (p. 35): 'And it's a bit
naive to imagine some kind of network of watchdog groups, keeping a close
eye on those mischievous Christians. . . . Or to imagine that such a protest
would have been heeded.'
Earl Doherty is better known
for 'The Jesus Puzzle' website and book by the same name, where he demonstrates
that Jesus is a fictional character. The complete ignorance of Jesus' earthly
life in the entire corpus of NT epistles and so many other early Christian
writings means that Jesus, to them, was an entirely divine being, just
like all the other gods in all the other religions of the day. Later, the
author of the gospel of Mark brought this Jesus down to earth. Matthew,
Luke, John and others followed suit, the concept gradually caught on, and
the rest is history. Check this out if you haven't already! It's the most
enlightening theological reading you'll ever do.
Doherty brings his mythical
Jesus thesis to 'Challenging the Verdict', but it doesn't dominate the
book. He refutes Strobel's arguments both with and without a historical
Jesus.
Chapters 6 and 8 are wonderful.
Doherty puts into eloquent words what all honest people know but can't
always concisely convey: it is naive to accept stories with supernatural
events as reliable history. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence, and the gospels don't come close to making the grade. Doherty
annihilates Gregory Boyd and Gary Collins in these chapters.
Elsewhere in chapter 6, when
discussing the similarities between Christianity and the competing mystery
religions, Boyd suggests the pagans were copying the Christians, when the
evidence indicates the opposite was far more likely. Chapter 10 addresses
the notorious Christian tactic of taking Old Testament passages completely
out of context and saying that Jesus fulfilled prophecies.
The later chapters cover the
resurrection, where Doherty exposes the fundamental mistake of letting
the gospel picture of Jesus dominate people's minds and reading this into
the epistles, most of which were written earlier. Thus, the argument that
the stories spread too fast to qualify as legends is simply inapplicable.
William Lane Craig refers in
chapter 12 to the later apocryphal gospels, which add 'flowery narratives'
to the basic story. Doherty observes that Matthew, Luke and John do the
same, adding fanciful details to Mark's original. A major point he drives
home is that the gospels are literary invention. Not history, not biographies,
not even biographies embellished with myth. And also not lies, any more
than the adventures of Tom Sawyer or Robinson Crusoe are lies. They are
myths; stories with teachings and lessons for the community. And they feature
the common Jewish theme of what modern critical scholars call 'The Suffering
and Vindication of the Innocent Righteous One'.
Earl Doherty is a fine writer—very
polite and professional. He makes a few weak arguments on minor points,
but on every substantial matter, he demolishes Strobel and his interviewees.
Probably the weakest aspect of the book is that he sometimes UNDERstates
his case!
[*****] Defending Rationality on the Gospels, December
9, 2001
Reviewer: Greg Singer from Ottawa, Canada
This book scores on two counts.
It contains solid arguments that discredit the shallow, selective, misleading
and self-serving presentation of Lee Strobel and his very conservative
scholarly witnesses. And it's an entertaining read, mostly because of the
format Doherty has adopted: addressing Strobel's arguments as though he
is cross-examining them in a courtroom.
There are those who complain
that this approach is somehow dishonest, or unfair to Strobel and his witnesses,
but this is a red herring. If Doherty had not adopted such a format, but
simply offered an academic piece in which he itemized the arguments for
Gospel reliability found in Strobel's book, and then gave his counter arguments
against them, no one would have any grounds for complaint. That's just
what Challenging the Verdict does, it offers that opposing view and backs
it up with detailed scholarly arguments and references. The courtroom setting
is simply something that gives added color and vitality to those counter
arguments. No matter what the format, the author could hardly have given
Strobel's scholars some kind of rebuttal opportunity.
In fact, one of the complaints
against Strobel himself is that he gives no voice to anything but his own
confessional point of view, since he did not interview New Testament scholars
who were more liberal and critical than the conservative and evangelical
line-up he offers. At least Doherty has that conservative side on view
in his book. He lays it out, and he counters it with the more liberal viewpoint.
While Doherty does offer arguments
in support of his theory that no Jesus existed, he also argues from a position
as if there was such a man, leaving it to the reader to choose, or not,
from either vantage point. The no-Jesus theory, by the way, is very well
argued in his previous book, The Jesus Puzzle, and is being championed
by more and more people today.
I was also struck by the extra-biblical
comments Doherty sprinkles throughout the book, espousing rationalist views.
His comments on the whole blood sacrifice basis of Christian salvation,
the section on hell (which ought to discredit any belief in that horrific
doctrine), and his little homily at the end of the Final Summation are
some of the most insightful things I've read in support of rationality,
something Strobel's book is very short on. I particularly liked his debunking
of the whole prophecy of Jesus business in the Old Testament.
It's to be expected that some
reviews of this book are going to be critical, especially those that are
obviously reacting from a position of faith, but it would be nice if they
would all have the integrity to identify themselves. Doherty certainly
has.
[*****] Sitting in the Jury Box, December 11, 2001
Reviewer: Richard Macdonald from Toronto, Canada
This is the most effective debunking
exercise I've seen in a long time. Want to get rid of superstition in your
life? Want to free yourself from 2000 year old fantasies about a man walking
out of his tomb, about being God and the only avenue to salvation, while
everyone who doesn't believe in him gets to go to some eternal punishment
you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy? These are only some of the ideas
defended by Strobel and his scholars which Doherty puts in his sights and
demolishes, as he dismantles the reliability of the Gospels and their dogmas.
I only wish we could really
have a courtroom hearing of this nature, invite the world's media, and
put all these doctrines on the stand before a judge and jury. I never fully
realized just how deficient and antiquated they truly are. Doherty points
out all the holes in the arguments, all the contradictions, all the irrationalities,
and gives us much more reasonable alternatives about how Christianity came
to believe what it does. And it doesn't have to depend on there being no
historical Jesus, which Doherty argued very convincingly in his first book,
The Jesus Puzzle. In this one, he shows how none of it is reliable even
if there was such a man.
Someone claimed that the "tektonics
organization" has already refuted Doherty "point by point". That's like
saying papal officials refuted Galileo's telescope observations by pointing
to passages in their holy book. Doherty's telescope is just as revealing.
[*****] A devastating refutal of biased Christian apologetics,
December 29, 2001
Reviewer: A reader from New York, USA
Apparently, Lee Strobel's 'The Case
for Christ' represents the best arguments that modern-day born-again evangelists
have to offer. And considering how utterly deficient and unconvincing it
is, that's pretty sad.
However, Strobel is slick. A reader
unfamiliar with the facts in the Jesus debate might well be snowed under
by the subtlety with which he delivers his logical fallacies and the artfulness
with which he conceals inconvenient counter-evidence.
Fortunately, we have real scholars
like Earl Doherty to clear the air. His first book, 'The Jesus Puzzle',
was a well-crafted and powerfully delivered argument against the historicity
of Jesus Christ. Now, with 'Challenging the Verdict', he takes Strobel
to task by systematically destroying the testimony of the theologians he
quotes, dissecting their arguments one by one to reveal the inconsistencies,
circular reasoning and missing evidence inherent in each of them, and taking
no prisoners in pointing out the embarrassing inconsistencies and other
problems in the gospel accounts that Strobel would prefer to quietly gloss
over. (For example: How is it that any of the gospels describe anything
Jesus said or did in the garden of Gethsemane? All the disciples were asleep!
Who was recording this?) It's not necessarily the best book when it comes
to refuting Christianity in general, but if you've read 'The Case for Christ'—or
even if you haven't—and want an opposing view, this is the book you want
to see.
Most of the critics of this book complain
about how Earl Doherty quotes Strobel's theologians to refute their arguments
without giving them a chance to respond. But this charge is a monumental
hypocrisy considering that Strobel himself only interviews people—conservative
and evangelical scholars—who support *his* predetermined position. 'The
Case for Christ' gives no space to even liberal Christian scholars, much
less atheists and others who are skeptical of the whole Jesus story. Of
course, this is hardly surprising considering that any knowledgeable non-believer
could punch dozens of holes in Strobel's flimsy mythology, exposing his
numerous logical fallacies and selective use of evidence, which would rather
ruin the book's intended purpose as an instrument of evangelism; but then
Strobel's partisans should not complain when Doherty counters him on the
only grounds he is willing to argue. If Strobel gave equal space to both
fundamentalists and their critics, then these people might have a valid
point in charging Doherty with unfairness. As it is, they're merely hypocrites,
and they don't have a leg to stand on.
[*****] Fundamentalism challenged and beaten, December
24, 2001
Reviewer: Hass Gunda
This book is one of the the
best refutations of evangelical and fundamentalist Christianity that I
have ever seen. It is definitely up there with the secular web's Jury project
(which responds to Josh McDowell's 'Evidence that Demands a Verdict').
J.P.Holding, who seems to think that every Jesus Mythicist just writes
one book and then continues to repeat his arguments in subsequent works
(he holds the same—completely unjustified—opinion of G.A.Wells' six books),
is flat out wrong. For what it's worth, Doherty does not push his Jesus
Myth theory in this book... instead, he takes conservative apologists to
task. The only part where I felt that he had not done an exceptional job
was his cross-examination of J.P.Moreland ... but despite that it's an
excellent effort.
[*****] Case Dismissed, December 18, 2001
Reviewer: otis duncan from Santa Barbara, CA United
States
Earl Doherty has written an unusual
kind of commentary. He looks at Lee Strobel's 'The Case for Christ' chapter
by chapter, isolates the main points Strobel makes in each chapter, and
convincingly rebuts them. Doherty, unlike Strobel, is a scholar, and he
has encountered the authorities Strobel brings in as expert witnesses in
their own books. And he has in earlier work taken their arguments fully
into account. So this is not a mere review, it is a devastating critique
of a distinctly mediocre piece of trendy journalism.
Along the way, Doherty brings out
some of the main arguments of his own earlier study, The Jesus Puzzle,
which the interested reader should consult for a full exposition of the
thesis that there was no historical personage corresponding to the Jesus
of Nazareth of the gospels.
How serious Doherty is may be indicated
by the fact that no more than once or twice does he take advantage of elementary
lapses of logic or simple misinformation in Strobel's book. Nor does he
point to obvious omissions, such as Strobel's failure to note the discrepancies
between the two New Testament accounts of the nativity and immediately
subsequent events.
The reader reviews of Strobel that
I looked at put considerable emphasis on his breezy journalistic style,
which presumably makes his book a 'good read.' I beg to differ. If the
topic is as serious as Strobel claims, then something like the serious,
albeit accessible, style of Doherty is more appropriate.
Just in case Doherty leaves you with
lingering doubts as to the cogency of his argument, you would do well to
look at some other recent books that support him very strongly: G. A. Wells,
The Jesus Myth; Alvar Ellegard, Jesus One Hundred Years before Christ;
Robert Price, Deconstructing Jesus; Harold Leidner, The Fabrication of
the Christ Myth.
[*****] Wonderful Book!, December 17, 2001
Reviewer: Scott J. Lohman from Minneapolis, Minnesota
United States
Doherty does a great job of doing
a book length review and critique of the arguments that Lee Strobel uses
in 'The Case for Christ.' Doherty effectively shows that Strobel is only
speaking for one end of the religious spectrum. Doherty shows that Strobel
gives his experts easy questions, avoids follow-ups and that Strobel stacks
the deck in his own favor. Doherty points out that Strobel does a poor
job of being a “skeptic” by only consulting with experts from the fundamentalist
end of the spectrum, rather than asking experts from other traditions.
Strobel is even billed as a “journalist” rather than a preacher for a church.
While Strobel’s 'Case for Christ' is a good summary of conservative, evangelical
Christianity’s apologetics, Doherty easily shows the short comings of that
approach as well as a proper skeptic’s approach.
The second thing to note is that none of these reviewers attempts to refute any of the arguments and counter-positions offered in Challenging the Verdict. If the book is indeed “amateurish,” “bizarre,” “insipid and poorly executed,” containing “outrageous methodology,” “historical misstatements and corruptions of logic,” it should have been an easy task to give at least a few examples of such deficiencies and even offer counter arguments. (Reviewers have up to 1,000 words to work with.) Instead, the book and its author are regaled with insults, unqualified condemnation and personal attack. The infamous J. P. Holding (a pseudonym) offers nothing more constructive or illuminating of his own position than to label Challenging the Verdict as “Funnier than a Three Stooges Video.” If such ‘reviewers’ can bring nothing more sophisticated and substantial to the defense of their position than rants like these, it is small wonder that such a gulf exists between believer and skeptic, and that their position is so vulnerable to question and refutation.
Most of these reviewers are particularly hung up on the approach my critique adopts. The courtroom cross-examination format may be a measure of the book’s effectiveness, but it has almost universally incensed those who are not sympathetic to its message. They cannot seem to understand that the courtroom setting is simply a literary device. No book can offer rebuttal opportunities to those it is questioning or to the positions it is putting forward. Strobel himself hardly does so. While a true courtroom proceeding would no doubt unfold differently, no one reading this book should fail to realize that mine is an artificial device not to be taken literally, and that the process of itemizing the positions stated by Strobel and his scholarly witnesses, and then giving my own positions in response, would be a far more “tedious” exercise (for writer and reader), especially over such a length, if it were not provided with some color and interesting setting. Perhaps I am guilty of making that setting too realistic. In any case, I have offered a forum on this website to any of Lee Strobel’s interviewees who would wish to interject a comment or rebuttal at any point in my cross-examination, and I will post such an exchange here. (See Age of Reason: Court in Session.) I will even supply a complimentary copy of the book to any of them who so wish to engage in a more extended discussion. [Note: This offer has been withdrawn, due to a lack of response after three months, but if anyone wishes to engage in such rebuttal at any time in the future, I will of course renew the invitation and reconvene the court.]
The ultimate personal attack in a situation like this is always upon the “credentials” of the writer. I have made no secret on this website of the fact that my university degree is in ancient history and classical languages (Greek and Latin), a not unrelated field, but that in biblical studies per se I am self-taught over a period of two decades. This, of course, will not satisfy my detractors, but it is hardly realistic to demand that I should somehow have been the product of the training and mindset that I am seeking to question and even overturn. If one definition of a “scholar” (Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary) is “one who engages in advanced study and acquired knowledge in a special field,” then private scholarship is a legitimate proposition—and a common practice—and may even be necessary when the research involves unorthodox and unpopular dimensions. Mainstream scholarship on the New Testament has traditionally been apologetic in nature, not neutral. It has been the almost exclusive domain of Religion departments of academic institutions, not History departments. In any case, many of the positions I adopt in Challenging the Verdict are no more extreme than those of critical scholars in the field itself, such as the Jesus Seminar, and some reviewers’ equal condemnation of such liberal scholarship shows that their criticism of me and my methods as allegedly having no legitimate academic base is simply a red herring. Their ire is directed at anything which questions established orthodoxy.
Arguments based on a rational evaluation of the evidence and the application of scientific principles should stand or fall on their own, regardless of the background of the author or the particular letters after his name. Attacking supposedly invalid credentials is a poor substitute for an honest and reasoned grappling with those arguments. I invite further readers and reviewers to choose the latter course. (I also invite readers of Challenging the Verdict who feel it is worthy of support to post their own reviews and ratings on Amazon.com.)
I will make a few further comments following some of the individual reviews.
[*] The Case for Ignoring this sad case,
February 13, 2003
Reviewer: Kerry B. Colling from Victor,
New York
I was asked by a popular apologetics
organization to help work on a response to this latest attempt at discrediting
the Gospels and in turn the very foundations of Christianity.
What perhaps troubled me more than
Doherty's work was the way in which many Christians responded. After reading
Challenging the Verdict I can confidently say to all those alarmed Christians
"calm down." With all due respect to Mr Doherty and all those who took
this attempt so seriously it is just not worth it. I would recommend this
book to NO ONE -Skeptic or believer. It is not only dry but drab. Doherty
advocates an extreme view which even the majority of unbeleiving scholars
do not hold. It is a tiring read and the writing style is horrendous. Doherty
would have gained more respect if he had personally interviewed the scholars
Strobel had. Christians seemed more upset that Doherty chose to attack
one of their latest apologetic "stars" rather than with the arguments themselves.
I debated even bothering writing this
review. Sorry to bore you even more than Strobel or Doherty already has.
My Comments:
Although Mr. Colling doesn't say who this "apologetics
organization" is that asked for his assistance, he has apparently failed
to give them anything of substance to allay their fears. Once again, the
response to my arguments in Challenging the Verdict is not
a rational discussion of the evidence and my own reasoning based on that
evidence, but a litany of insult and dismissal. Even in the face of an
obvious plea from those who are disturbed at the content of my book, not
a single counter-argument has been put forward. I don't know who Mr. Colling
is, or why others would turn to him for succor, but the above review is
simply, to put it bluntly, a cop-out.
[*] Amateurish, December
29, 2002
Reviewer: William Becker, Los Angeles,
CA
As a lawyer, it took me a split second
to recognize Doherty's unfamiliarity with legal principles (e.g., admissibility
of hearsay, validity of circumstantial evidence, etc.) and thus view his
entire argument as, to use a term of art, lacking foundation. It's rhetorical
appeal is amateurish and does not parallel the correct application of legal
reasoning applied so forcefully in Strobel's magnificent book. Those possessing
no litigation background may be won over, but for those with even a little
legal education, don't waste your time with this silly tripe. Or read it
as confirmation of the strength in Strobel's arguments.
My Comments:
My legal knowledge is not sufficient to enable me to
label Mr. Becker's argument correctly in courtroom terminology, but there
is a simple term in the field of rationality to identify it: fallacious.
It hardly renders my "entire argument as lacking foundation" that I have
not followed the strict rules of legal procedure in the matter of hearsay
and circumstantial evidence. This is not a judicial case, and in any event
I make my own disclaimer in the Introduction to the book that I am not
adhering to official courtroom rules. (Although I do know enough to say
that phrases like "silly tripe" used by a courtroom attorney would certainly
provoke a remonstrance from the judge as unbecoming of proper decorum and
legal debate.) Regardless of the setting adopted for literary purposes,
the arguments in Challenging the Verdict are based on principles
of rationality and need to be addressed on that level, rather than dismissed
through the red herring of erroneous legal procedure or failing to provide
rebuttal by the 'witnesses' being cross-examined. Such rebuttal is open
to anyone who wishes to indulge in it, including Strobel's scholarly interviewees,
and I have even offered a forum for it on this web site; to date I have
not been approached by a single individual with an attempt at reasoned
discussion of anything put forward in Challenging the Verdict.
[*] I'm not sure why this book was written, January
10, 2003
Reviewer: Michael Paul Maupin, Corydon, IN
Instead of taking time to debunk and
talk about why Doherty's book is sophomoric and, at best, destined to end
up finding a less-than-scholarly place along side copies of Weekly World
News and other inane works of drivel, I would like to comment on the book
it's opposing: The Case For Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation
of the Evidence for Jesus.
Strobel clearly goes out of his way
to talk to leading experts in many different fields, including Medicine,
Anthropology, History, Forensics, Psychology, et. al. and succeeds in making
a water-tight case for the Messiah.
Doherty embarrassingly tries to build
a case against the "experts" interviewed by Strobel citing that they aren't
reliable because they are professed Christians. What Doherty doesn't understand,
or refuses to admit, is that the people interviewed by Strobel are Scholars;
men who have built their entire lives on education and the pursuit of pure
thought and reasoning. Impressive are their qualifications. Any attempt
to dig their intellectual prowess by Doherty ends in futility on his part.
Doherty's tome proves a point I have
believed for many years: Give a monkey a pen and you might just get a publishable
work. In Doherty's case, give a monkey a pen, lace a banana with LSD and
then whack that same monkey over the head several times with a cast iron
skillet and you get "Challenging the Verdict".
My Comments:
Like so many others, Mr. Maupin's 'defence' of The
Case for Christ fails to offer any concrete counter-argument but
is based solely on the time-honored and fallacious "appeal to authority."
Since the people interviewed by Strobel are "Scholars" their word is to
be taken at face value and with no challenge. If all human research and
endeavor were to be approached from that viewpoint, we'd still be in the
Stone Age. Much of Challenging the Verdict is an attempt
to demonstrate that the claims of Strobel's "experts" are in fact not
to be relied on, regardless of their qualifications. The reason "why this
book was written" was precisely that: to show that in all things, and especially
in the field of dogmatic belief which excludes and condemns the very application
of reason to itself, we need to examine established doctrine and the received
wisdom of authority. Otherwise, we commit intellectual suicide, and in
this case condemn ourselves to be forever mired in ancient superstition.
This reviewer's over-the-top diatribe is similar to the approach adopted by a well-known Internet apologist who is quoted below. It becomes neither of them, though it is unfortunately the signature language of too many who find fault with work like my own. To try to ensure that society's laws, ethics and beliefs are not to be governed solely by this kind of mindset is another reason why Challenging the Verdict was written.
[*] Don't be surprised, April 24, 2002
Reviewer: mlls55 from Selma, AL
This book doesn't surprise me at all,
never forget the devil masquerades as an angel of light!! If people want
to jump on this bandwagon and disregard the ton of evidence that has been
accumalated from many sources including archeologist and even scientist,
then let them!!
This is one reason why Jesus says
he will come like a theif in the night, he will catch millions thinking,
doing, and believing everything except the right thing!! This book is clear
evidence of that!!
[*] Question: When is a trial not a trial?, March
28, 2002
Reviewer: M G Passantino from Costa Mesa, CA United
States
Answer: When the prosecuting attorney
doesn't let any of the witnesses respond to his cross-examination. By that
cute (but totally prejudiced) trick, Doherty may have won a few "converts"
to skepticism in his abysmal challenge to Lee Strobel's best-selling The
Case for Christ. Even if one didn't have the interest, time, or
skill to carefully and objectively examine every main point made by Doherty,
common sense and a few over-arching principles should give anyone concern
that Doherty's case AGAINST Christ (Strobel and Strobel's expert witnesses'
presentation of Christ) is less than honest.
Compare the two books: Strobel's qualifications
are clearly identified and the experts he "calls to the stand" in his defense
of the historic Christian view of Christ are well qualified in their respective
fields of academic achievement, whether it be history, literature, theology,
etc. Doherty doesn't give any hint about any academic or legal proficiency
on his part at all, and by and large the "expert" skeptics he calls to
his side in disputing the Christian truth claims are either Jesus Seminar
members, who are recognized by most even liberal scholars as far on the
liberal fringe, or those like Robert Funk who once told me that his interpretation
of Jesus as a first century cynic sage Jewish standup comedian was based
on nothing more than his subjective "experience" of the New Testament.
No kidding! I asked Funk, "If the New Testament text we have led you to
discover this Jerry Seinfeld Jesus, what kind of text would there have
to be for you to discover a Son of God, Resurrected Jesus Christ?" After
my husband and I went back and forth asking the same question a couple
of different ways until he finally got it, he responded, "The exact same
text we have already." No kidding! "But," I pressed, "If the same text
can give some readers a divine resurrected Christ and others a human rabbi
comedian Christ, then you're saying either interpretation is completely
subjective -- based only some 'inner experience' and not on any scientific,
historic, linguistic, or rational investigation or standard." In so many
words, he agreed. "After all," he concluded, "This isn't science. It's
literature. It can mean all things to all people."
Well, post-modern deconstructionism
may have earned a few people Ph.Ds for novel ideas, but such "scholarship"
based on mere subjective, blind faith can't come close to the historical,
linguistic, and rational evidence Lee Strobel and his experts amass so
compellingly in The Case for Christ....
My Comments:
Ms. Passantino's review degenerated into a rant at this
point. I gather that she has published some comments on my book on some
other forum, as "Jack B.", another unsympathetic reviewer on Amazon (not
posted here) made this comment: "...My conclusion is consistent with the
one reached by Bob and Gretchen Passantino of Answers in Action, who thoroughly
analyzed "Challenging the Verdict" and came to this conclusion: 'The book
is littered with logical fallacies, misstatements of fact, faulty interpretations,
pseudo-scholarship, and wholesale ignorance of history, literature, and
philosophy.' To borrow a word from Jesus: 'Amen!' "
Well, I haven't seen the review of Answers in Action, but I find it curious that neither Jack nor Ms. Passantino, despite the latter's "thorough" analysis of the book, bothered to quote a single example of my litter of logical fallacies, misstatements of fact, and so on. Instead, the Passantinos apparently rely on a priori assumption, that Strobel's scholars are "well qualified in their respective fields," meaning that there is no reason to question their views, and that "common sense and a few over-arching principles," no doubt founded in orthodox dogma, are all that is needed to dismiss Challenging the Verdict. Ms. Passantino's remark that "even if one didn't have the interest, time, or skill to carefully and objectively examine every main point made by Doherty," seems to be an admission of some sort.
I find Ms. Passantino's anecdote about an exchange with Robert Funk illuminating. If accurate (and I doubt that the tone, if nothing else, is so), it indicates one admission which the Passantinos have not fully comprehended. Any interpretation of the New Testament which is based on personal orientation and wishful thinking is indeed going to be "completely subjective," and "based on some 'inner experience'." I regard both the orthodox interpretation championed by the Passantinos, as well as the new radical (by orthodox standards) interpretation put forward by Robert Funk and the Jesus Seminar, to be, in their own ways, equally subjective and unreliable. Essentially, I would have to disagree with Funk, if he said that "This isn't science. It's literature. It can mean all things to all people." The Gospels may indeed be literature (and we have lost sight of that), but they can be subjected to scientific analysis and evaluation, and objective historical judgments about them, along with the rest of the Christian record, can be arrived at. The Jesus Seminar has done this to some extent, but at the end of the day they too have brought their own personal needs and commitments to the investigation, producing yet another Jesus which reflects the spirit of the times, albeit in liberal circles. As for the Passantinos' counter-claim about the orthodox position, the purpose of Challenging the Verdict was to point out that Strobel's case is anything but "scientific, historical, rational and compelling," or free of the influence of "subjective, blind faith."
The complaint (yet again) about my courtroom cross-examination format has been addressed several times elsewhere (as for example in the following review's comments), including by some of the positive reviewers quoted in the first part of this page.
[*] Okay, let me get this straight, March 3, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Los Angeles
Let me see if I've got this right.
This "scholar," who puts forth no academic credentials in this book by
a publisher I can't seem to locate, and whose credibility has already been
lost due to his fringe position that Jesus never even was born, now "cross-examines"
Christian scholars but does not even give them a chance to answer his questions
or correct his misstatements and mischaracterizations. His historically
dubious challenges in reality were only posed to these professors in his
own vivid imagination and not in a single instance were they raised in
an actual conversation in which the challenged individual was able to offer
any kind of a response. That's supposed to be a valid exploration of these
issues—to taunt scholars with your inflated allegations but gag their mouths
so they cannot set the record straight? This is supposed to be a credible
book that for the first time in 2,000 years has been able to dismantle
Christianity? Uh, I don't think so.
Instead of denting Lee Strobel's book
"A Case for Christ," this challenge falls flat—deflated by its lack of
credibility and its refusal to even open itself to other (and more reasonable)
viewpoints. All it succeeds in doing is winning the enthusiastic support
of others who need some reason—ANY reason, no matter how poorly supported—to
maintain their conclusion that Jesus was a mere myth who somehow has hoodwinked
millions of people for two millennia. I found this book incredibly frustrating
to read because at the end, you have nothing but random attacks on the
historical record and you lack the responses of those who are in the best
position to give the other side. Something is not true because a person
says it and doesn't allow the other side to be expressed. At least in Strobel's
book he challenges scholars with objections of skeptics and then let the
reader decide whether their answers were sufficient. . . .
My Comments:
Okay, let me get this straight. Challenging the
Verdict is an invalid, dishonest exercise, because I didn't send
manuscripts
of the book before publication to each of Strobel's interviewees, asking
them to insert their rebuttal comments at appropriate points. Nor can critiques
be written of published scholarly opinion unless the author personally
interviews those he is critiquing, just to make sure that they were properly
quoted or whether they might have something further to say in answer to
the critiquer's objections. Moreover, an author who has taken a position
that some readers don't like, namely that Jesus of Nazareth never existed,
is automatically discredited, and ditto if he is published by a publishing
house that the reader "can't locate." Those scholars I have challenged
have been "gagged," presumably because they have no way on their own to
become aware of my challenges and no forums in which to respond to them.
Nor have I allowed "the other side to be expressed" despite numerous quotations
from that other side in Challenging the Verdict
itself, and
the promulgation of that other side in countless books, debates, and other
public media.
Strobel does allow a very limited expression of the "objections of skeptics" in his book, but in no case does he interview anything remotely resembling a liberal scholar. In Challenging the Verdict both sides are on view, and it is indeed incumbent upon the reader to decide which one makes the better sense. One of the objects of my critique is to demonstrate not only how extremely selective is that skeptical expression in Strobel's presentation, but that whole areas of contradiction and inconsistency, illogical and unsupported conclusion, misuse of evidence, are simply ignored in the "case" for Christian doctrine and the complete historical reliability of the Gospels.
I have discussed the question of my "credentials" in my introductory comments above, and elsewhere.
[*] The overall picture, February 27, 2002
Reviewer: A. Lesley
Wow, after reading the editorial review
and the many different reviews of this book, I am deeply saddened by what
is going on here. It is so easy for scholars to pick apart the works of
others. It would not matter if Lee Strobel interviewed God in person, someone
like Earl Doherty would come along and convince many that it was all a
lie. The overall picture is this: if you don't want to accept the gift
of salvation offered by God through Jesus, then you will find any excuse
available to deny it. However, don't use Doherty or anyone else's theories
to keep you away from Jesus. If you TRULY seek to know God, He will reveal
Himself to you - that's His promise to all of us.
My comments:
I think Mr. Lesley's comment needs turning around. If
one is committed to believing in something and is unwilling to question
its reliability or basis, one will find any excuse to reject the contrary
evidence. And many people today claim to have "interviewed" God in one
way or another. At least I can go to Strobel's scholars to check if they
indeed answered his questions in the way he says they did. Unfortunately,
no one can check with the Deity, or on the many claims made in his name.
(Going to the bible is simply a case of circular reasoning.)
[*] Not even fair, February 8, 2002
Reviewer: A Reader from Burnsville, MN
All right, let's look at this book
from a logical standpoint: Earl Doherty constantly bombards us with his
"facts" without giving any of the scholars (those with which he is "refuting")
a chance to respond! This is ridiculous at best. I have no problem with
him acting like an atheist, but the LEAST he can do is let someone else
make their case. No wonder his material is so "convincing"--it's completely
one-sided! Lee Strobel's "The Chase [sic] For Christ" is fair and
balanced, whereas Doherty states his reasoning and just automatically assumes
that it's correct. If the Biblical scholars had been given the opportunity
to debate Earl's arguments, they would have grilled him, plain and simple.
This book is a fairly well organized attempt at discrediting Christianity,
but one that ultimately fails.
My Comments:
This "reader" posted his review long after several others
which defended my cross-examination format as a legitimate literary device,
something which apparently made no impression on him. Other reviewers have
also pointed out that Strobel is anything but "fair and balanced." In fact,
the typo in the Strobel title above is ironically apt, in that the book's
argument is essentially a circular one, evidence chosen and engineered
in order to support a predetermined conclusion, as in the expression "chasing
one's tail."
[*] An amateurish attempt at historical revisionism,
December 20, 2001
Reviewer: dfleming19 from New York City
This odd book is an example
of how far critics need to take their faith in order to try to rewrite
history. The author pretends he's objective while critiquing Lee Strobel's
book 'A Case for Christ,' but his biases are evident from the beginning.
He starts with an anti-supernatural presupposition and the absurd belief—rejected
by reputable historians—that Jesus never existed. (Set aside whether Jesus
was the Son of God—this guy refuses to even acknowledge that he ever walked
the earth!) From this dubious starting point, the author must then twist
himself into knots in order to try to dismiss the New Testament accounts,
including the writings of Paul. They must be undermined at all costs in
order to support his bizarre thesis. So the author trots out all the worn
out, discredited deconstructionism of the Jesus Seminar and others in an
attempt to justify his position. This isn’t objective historical research—it’s
a desperate effort to justify his own prejudices.
My Comments:
As for “the absurd belief that Jesus never existed,” this is not a presupposition either, but—rightly or wrongly—an arrived-at position through an examination of the record and the spirit of the times, as put forward in my first book, The Jesus Puzzle, and to some extent in Challenging the Verdict. (Reviewers who have said that I do not put forward my Jesus myth theory in the present book are overstating the point.)
Nowhere in my book, or even in the former website version, have I referred to the scholars interviewed by Lee Strobel as “fundamentalists,” but only as “conservative” and “to the far right of the critical spectrum.” In the comments about the book on this site I have used the term “evangelical” in referring to some of those scholars, and I regard this as a valid characterization of people like William Lane Craig and Gary Habermas, though I am willing to be corrected on the point.
Instead of “shouting back at the book,” this reviewer would have been better advised to respond on the Jesus Puzzle website, or on any other forum of his choosing, and actually itemize and discredit “the author’s fanciful conspiracy theories, historical misstatements and corruptions of logic.” Such an addressing of the arguments I put forward in Challenging the Verdict might also have cast some light on my “outrageous methodology.” Rational discussion of the evidence is the only effective avenue to understanding and enlightenment.
[**] A poor execution of a flawed premise, November 29, 2001
My Comments:
This reviewer (who chose to remain anonymous) says, “Readers
are left with the author’s dubious assertions and no way to responsibly
evaluate them."
The way to evaluate any position is to investigate the accuracy of the premises being asserted, and then to apply one’s own reasoning to the arguments that are being based on those premises. If the assertions are “dubious” or false, they can be so demonstrated by one’s own survey of the evidence. If the arguments being offered are invalid, they can be exposed as such by rational standards.
To take the opening example of the book, Craig Blomberg’s position was that the church’s attribution of the traditional authors to the four canonical Gospels is completely reliable. My counter to that position was to demonstrate that no one presents such Gospel authors before the year 180, that the Gospels themselves are not quoted from or clearly attested to by Christian writers before the time of Justin Martyr in the 150s. Those are assertions. If they are “dubious” they can be so demonstrated by pointing to earlier references and quotations I have overlooked or misrepresented. When Dr. Blomberg attempted to do precisely that, by pointing to Papias around the year 125, I showed by Papias’ own reputed words (relayed to us through Eusebius) that his remarks about a “Mark” and “Matthew” cannot be taken to refer to narrative gospels, and that he could not have possessed copies of whatever these documents were. If my arguments and conclusions are suspect or invalid, it is incumbent on the opposing position to offer a demonstration that this is so, rather than simply label them dubious, bizarre or insipid.
On what basis Strobel’s scholars would “roast” me is not clear from their testimony in The Case for Christ. I can assure the reader that I have not conveniently or deviously left out anything they have said that would support their case. It is in my own interest to answer all of their arguments. Moreover, as apologists, Strobel is appealing to them to give him all the ammunition they can to support the case his book seeks to present. They are not liable to have failed to present him with their best views on the matter. Thus, while they might seek to object to some interpretation of my own, it would be difficult to see what further substantive arguments they could produce in rebuttal to support their positions. However, once again let me point out that I have extended an invitation to them for such a rebuttal and have offered to provide a forum for it on this site. [Again, this invitation has been withdrawn, due to a lack of response, but can be reopened on request at any time.]
[*] Funnier Than a Three Stooges Video!, December
12, 2001
Reviewer: J. P. Holding from Ocoee, FL United
States
As President of Tekton Apologetics
Ministries I’ve had a lot of practice taking Earl to task, and he prefers
to respond with harrumphs and grunts and arguments that dig him even deeper
in his hole. All of the arguments in this book are derived from his earlier
book, The Jesus Puzzle, so if you already have that you won’t miss anything.
Doherty’s attempt to refute Strobel is no more than a case of Doherty trying
to milk the cash cow that Strobel’s works have become.
Doherty fancies himself an expert,
but has bitten off way more than he can chew. He is behind the eight-ball
of scholarly consensus on every point—and I speak here of secular as well
as religious scholarship.
Me? I read it for amusement.
My Comments:
Mr. Holding’s remarks scarcely bear commenting on. As
usual, he presents much noise but little substance, though here he is uncharacteristically
brief. His rebuttal to my earlier website critique of The Case for
Christ
was, as always, over the top and ran out of steam as it
progressed. He regularly complains that I don’t pay him enough heed, though
my site contains two detailed responses to his “Rogues Gallery” attacks
on the Jesus Puzzle, one at the head of my Reader Feedback, the other in
the Postscript to my Sound of Silence feature. But until he has the good
grace to provide a link to my site articles he is rebutting, so that his
readers can check things out for themselves (to reciprocate my own and
common practice), I won’t be giving him any further attention.
[*] The obvious verdict: this book is lame!, December
6, 2001
Reviewer: Hankloftus(...) from the Pacific Coast
If this book is the best defense of
the idea Jesus never lived, then this bizarre contention ought to be given
the proper burial it deserves. For me, I cannot conjure up enough faith
to believe his inane conclusions—especially with the entire book being
based on a ‘trial’ in which witnesses are not allowed to answer the author's
questions!! It’s easy to ‘prove’ your point when you never allow anyone
to challenge it, which is what the author does. His historical analysis
is shallow and misleading. For example, his claim that Paul didn’t care
about the historical Jesus is contradicted by Paul’s laser-beam focus on
the resurrection of Jesus, as evidenced by First Corinthians 15 and other
passages. I’d be interested in what qualifies the author as a ‘classical
and New Testament scholar,’ since his own biography doesn’t even mention
whether he has any degree in the relevant area and, if he does, where he
got it. Perhaps he was trying to save the school from embarrassment. As
for his handling of the empty tomb issue, a much better exploration of
this matter can be found in the debate between Gerd Ludemann (a highly
qualified and credentialed scholar) and W. L. Craig—a debate which any
unprejudiced observer would have to say was won by Craig, who defended
well the vacancy of Jesus’ grave. This is a rehash of old Jesus objections
written in a tedious and unenlightening format.
My Comments:
Paul’s “laser-beam focus on the resurrection” as found
in 1 Corinthians 15 is something to which I devote repeated discussion
in Challenging the Verdict, addressing that passage in three
major places, as well as Paul’s concept of the resurrection in many others.
As for the Ludemann-Craig debate, that would not be my reading of the matter.
[*] Cross Examining Witnesses That Are Not Present,
November 14, 2001
Reviewer: scottdetroitsoulreed
One can’t help wondering how Mr. Doherty
would have performed in a courtroom where the witnesses could actually
answer for themselves. As the author not only controls the questions, but
also the answers, his predetermined verdict should come as no surprise
to anyone.
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